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Szó nincs róla, soha nem tiltelek...----------

 

némi tilt eredménye, ez a topik...----------

 

nyilván nem a nyerőkről van szó, mert azok nem 60/40et játszanak preflop, továbbra sem értem mi értelme a topiknak----------

Mi az, hogy káttű?

Vagy mondjuk ilyen:

PokerStars Game #65671290927: Tournament #432010497, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2011/08/07 20:53:47 CET [2011/08/07 14:53:47 ET]
Table '432010497 753' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: djelevenhun (3625 in chips)
Seat 2: Psychose666 (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: BARCA77 (4006 in chips)
Seat 4: dim_koval` (4179 in chips)
Seat 5: 2ndScoopFT (2555 in chips)
Seat 6: kiwinho83 (1534 in chips)
Seat 7: ElieltonPKR (2990 in chips)
Seat 8: DJ_ODANK (1595 in chips)
Seat 9: Don Harry 36 (4442 in chips)
djelevenhun: posts the ante 5
Psychose666: posts the ante 5
BARCA77: posts the ante 5
dim_koval`: posts the ante 5
2ndScoopFT: posts the ante 5
kiwinho83: posts the ante 5
ElieltonPKR: posts the ante 5
DJ_ODANK: posts the ante 5
Don Harry 36: posts the ante 5
kiwinho83: posts small blind 30
ElieltonPKR: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♠T♦T]
DJ_ODANK: folds
Don Harry 36: folds
djelevenhun: raises 120 to 180
Psychose666: raises 2815 to 2995 and is all-in
BARCA77: folds
dim_koval`: folds
2ndScoopFT: calls 2550 and is all-in
kiwinho83: folds
ElieltonPKR: folds
djelevenhun: folds
Uncalled bet (445) returned to Psychose666
*** FLOP *** [♦4♦A♠A]
*** TURN *** [♦4♦A♠A] ♥2
*** RIVER *** [♦4♦A♠A♥2] ♦K
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Psychose666: shows [♣A♣K] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
2ndScoopFT: shows [♥A♥K] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
Psychose666 collected 2708 from pot
2ndScoopFT collected 2707 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5415 | Rake 0
Board [4d Ad As 2h Kd]
Seat 1: djelevenhun folded before Flop
Seat 2: Psychose666 showed [♣A♣K] and won (2708) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 3: BARCA77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dim_koval` folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 2ndScoopFT (button) showed [♥A♥K] and won (2707) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 6: kiwinho83 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: ElieltonPKR (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DJ_ODANK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Don Harry 36 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Itt nyerő játékosokról van szó?
Mert ha nem,akkor nincs miről beszélni!----------

A tudatlanság áldás.

Nos nem az én játékom a kérdés ebben a topikban.
Az olyan amilyen.

Mivel tudtam, hogy verve vagyok, végig jól dobtam a monstereket is ellene, (kivéve utsó AA elleni hand).
Engem inkább az a játékkoncepció érdekel amivel Ő(k) nyerők.

Agresszív játék, 60/40 !, minden gyengeség kihasználása a lopásra, rosszul értelmezett implied oddsra játszás, stb.

Az elején szinte bármilyen helyzetben allin keverednek a duplázás érdekében, majd ha bejön, akkor tolni mint a bolond mert van zsetonfölény, jól lehet terrorizálni.
Ha meg nem jön be indítja a következőt.

Szerintem itt sokan félreértitek mi a topik célja.

Nem a fikázásra, hanem a megértésre kellene koncentrálni, miért éri meg így játszani.

Egy példa, ugyan csak 2 dolláros verseny :

50 hand alapján (igen, csak ennyi, kis minta, stb.)
21/9/0% 3 bet 0% 4bet a statom.
Ellen : 33/21/25/0

PokerStars Game #65670632977: Tournament #432010487, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2011/08/07 20:42:49 CET [2011/08/07 14:42:49 ET]
Table '432010487 473' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: granpetrus (5640 in chips)
Seat 2: Mayan_Eddie (7447 in chips)
Seat 3: Nos4Fun (2715 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 4: djelevenhun (11444 in chips)
Seat 5: joni1a (21998 in chips)
Seat 6: HorstBrack14 (855 in chips)
Seat 7: tamayniac (7420 in chips)
Seat 9: nicobhte (8868 in chips)
granpetrus: posts the ante 25
Mayan_Eddie: posts the ante 25
djelevenhun: posts the ante 25
joni1a: posts the ante 25
HorstBrack14: posts the ante 25
tamayniac: posts the ante 25
nicobhte: posts the ante 25
djelevenhun: posts small blind 100
joni1a: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♦J♣J]
HorstBrack14: folds
tamayniac: folds
nicobhte: calls 200
krotanche is connected
granpetrus: calls 200
Mayan_Eddie: raises 1000 to 1200
djelevenhun: raises 10219 to 11419 and is all-in
joni1a: folds
nicobhte: folds
granpetrus: folds
Mayan_Eddie: calls 6222 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3997) returned to djelevenhun
*** FLOP *** [♥5♣T♣K]
*** TURN *** [♥5♣T♣K] ♥Q
*** RIVER *** [♥5♣T♣K♥Q] ♠T
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djelevenhun: shows [♦J♣J] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
Mayan_Eddie: shows [♦Q♠K] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
Mayan_Eddie collected 15619 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15619 | Rake 0
Board [5h Tc Kc Qh Ts]
Seat 1: granpetrus folded before Flop
Seat 2: Mayan_Eddie (button) showed [♦Q♠K] and won (15619) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 4: djelevenhun (small blind) showed [♦J♣J] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 5: joni1a (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: HorstBrack14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: tamayniac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: nicobhte folded before Flop




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ezzel semmit nem fog fejlődni a játékod, sőt sztem romlani fog ha sztereotípiákra építesz egy-egy parti előtt.

inkább nézd át a kérdéses handeket és postold őket a fórumba, több haszna van, mint ennek az egész topiknak.
gl.----------

Mi az, hogy káttű?

Azért ha megnézted a handeket, akkor az odds a callra hamar kiesik, mint opció...----------

 

Erről van itt nagybaszó

PokerStars Game #65669498665: Tournament #432010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (50/100) - 2011/08/07 20:23:40 CET [2011/08/07 14:23:40 ET]
Table '432010003 1200' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: djelevenhun (2760 in chips)
Seat 2: Fedor0001 (9260 in chips)
Seat 3: topsellers (5000 in chips)
Seat 4: burnt famous (480 in chips)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan (4050 in chips)
Seat 6: Limyra (21325 in chips)
Seat 7: nikosofi (7940 in chips)
Seat 8: Bryant248 (12695 in chips)
Seat 9: tjaderized (11260 in chips)
Bryant248: posts small blind 50
tjaderized: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♥K♣A]
djelevenhun: raises 200 to 300
Fedor0001: folds
topsellers: folds
burnt famous: raises 180 to 480 and is all-in
OrelBogdan: folds
Limyra: calls 480
nikosofi: folds
Bryant248: folds
tjaderized: folds
djelevenhun: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [♠5♦6♦3]
djelevenhun: checks
Limyra: bets 200
djelevenhun: calls 200
*** TURN *** [♠5♦6♦3] ♣K
djelevenhun: bets 700
Limyra: raises 7700 to 8400
djelevenhun: calls 1380 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (6320) returned to Limyra
*** RIVER *** [♠5♦6♦3♣K] ♥J
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djelevenhun: shows [♥K♣A] (a pair of Kings)
Limyra: shows [♦A♠A] (a pair of Aces)
Limyra collected 4560 from side pot
burnt famous: shows [♠T♠J] (a pair of Jacks)
Limyra collected 1590 from main pot
djelevenhun finished the tournament in 19838th place
burnt famous finished the tournament in 19839th place
Roskilde DK is connected
bollski13 is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6150 Main pot 1590. Side pot 4560. | Rake 0
Board [5s 6d 3d Kc Jh]
Seat 1: djelevenhun showed [♥K♣A] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: Fedor0001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: topsellers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: burnt famous showed [♠T♠J] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: OrelBogdan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Limyra showed [♦A♠A] and won (6150) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: nikosofi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bryant248 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: tjaderized (big blind) folded before Flop
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mert oddson belül calloz és/vagy megvan a megfelelő implied oddsa a callra, esetleg kicsi a minta----------

Mi az, hogy káttű?

Szép idézet, bárkié is.

Prekoncepcióról nem beszélhetünk, inkább azt kellene megvizsgálni miért lehet nyerő a semmivel, luksorra játszás ...----------

 

Soha nem értettem egyet a tipizálásokkal, általánosításokkal, mert nem vezetnek az igazság megismeréséhez, sőt a prekoncepció káros hatással lehet a játékra.
Tudom, szívesen címkézünk föl másokat, mert könnyebb a fejünkben rendszerezni, egyszerűsíteni a világot, ez egyfajta fiziológiai igénye az elménknek, de ne higgyük azt, hogy ezzel közelebb kerülünk az igazsághoz, a másik pontos megismeréséhez.

Kliséket mindenki tud mondani, de az sosem lesz igaz egy ember teljes egészére nézve. Például ezek alapján én bajuszos vagyok, lovon járok, gulyást eszem és sírva vigadok.

Az emberek között az egész világon a különbségek nem a nemzeti jellegekből, hanem a szocializációból,anyagi helyzetből és a személyi kvalitások kiaknázásának mélységeiből adódnak.

A lélektanunk - bármilyen hihetetlen - szinte ugyanaz mind a hatmilliárdunknak, sőt több ezer éve is ugyanez volt, ugyanazok az érzéseink, motivációink.

Mondjuk van még remény, a görög nyeri...

PokerStars Game #65667814177: Tournament #432010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (30/60) - 2011/08/07 19:52:40 CET [2011/08/07 13:52:40 ET]
Table '432010003 1200' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: djelevenhun (4870 in chips)
Seat 2: Fedor0001 (4780 in chips)
Seat 3: Finnschik (4790 in chips)
Seat 4: burnt famous (5150 in chips)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan (4170 in chips)
Seat 6: Limyra (25990 in chips)
Seat 7: nikosofi (4860 in chips)
Seat 8: Bryant248 (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: tjaderized (10160 in chips)
nikosofi: posts small blind 30
Bryant248: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♣A♥K]
tjaderized: folds
djelevenhun: raises 120 to 180
Fedor0001: folds
Finnschik: folds
burnt famous: folds
OrelBogdan: folds
Limyra: calls 180
nikosofi: calls 150
Bryant248: folds
*** FLOP *** [♥3♠7♠3]
nikosofi: checks
djelevenhun: checks
Limyra: checks
*** TURN *** [♥3♠7♠3] ♠A
nikosofi: checks
djelevenhun: bets 300
Limyra: calls 300
nikosofi: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [♥3♠7♠3♠A] ♦5
nikosofi: bets 240
djelevenhun: calls 240
Limyra: calls 240
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nikosofi: shows [♥A♣5] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
djelevenhun: mucks hand
Limyra: shows [♣2♦2] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
nikosofi collected 2220 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2220 | Rake 0
Board [3h 7s 3s As 5d]
Seat 1: djelevenhun mucked [♣A♥K]
Seat 2: Fedor0001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Finnschik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: burnt famous folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Limyra (button) showed [♣2♦2] and lost with two pair, Threes and Deuces
Seat 7: nikosofi (small blind) showed [♥A♣5] and won (2220) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 8: Bryant248 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: tjaderized folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Beteg.

20 handen keresztül foldoltam első megjátszott handem...

PokerStars Game #65667667705: Tournament #432010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (20/40) - 2011/08/07 19:49:56 CET [2011/08/07 13:49:56 ET]
Table '432010003 1200' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: djelevenhun (4910 in chips)
Seat 2: Fedor0001 (4940 in chips)
Seat 3: Finnschik (4930 in chips)
Seat 4: burnt famous (5150 in chips)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan (4330 in chips)
Seat 6: Limyra (15540 in chips)
Seat 7: zeljo111 (9810 in chips)
Seat 8: Bryant248 (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: tjaderized (10160 in chips)
OrelBogdan: posts small blind 20
Limyra: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♥Q♠Q]
zeljo111: calls 40
Bryant248: folds
tjaderized: folds
djelevenhun: raises 120 to 160
Fedor0001: calls 160
Finnschik: folds
burnt famous: folds
OrelBogdan: folds
Limyra: calls 120
zeljo111: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [♠6♥9♣7]
Limyra: checks
zeljo111: checks
djelevenhun: bets 440
Fedor0001: folds
Limyra: calls 440
zeljo111: raises 9210 to 9650 and is all-in
djelevenhun: folds
Limyra: calls 9210
*** TURN *** [♠6♥9♣7] ♣5
*** RIVER *** [♠6♥9♣7♣5] ♥8
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Limyra: shows [♥J♠T] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
zeljo111: shows [♥7♥6] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Limyra collected 20400 from pot
zeljo111 finished the tournament in 18599th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20400 | Rake 0
Board [6s 9h 7c 5c 8h]
Seat 1: djelevenhun folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Fedor0001 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Finnschik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: burnt famous (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Limyra (big blind) showed [♥J♠T] and won (20400) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 7: zeljo111 showed [♥7♥6] and lost with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 8: Bryant248 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: tjaderized folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Az orosz Limyra ezt is nyeri----------

 

Limyra továbbra is arat....

PokerStars Game #65667415769: Tournament #432010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (20/40) - 2011/08/07 19:45:15 CET [2011/08/07 13:45:15 ET]
Table '432010003 1200' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: djelevenhun (4970 in chips)
Seat 2: Fedor0001 (5000 in chips)
Seat 3: Finnschik (5310 in chips)
Seat 4: burnt famous (5190 in chips)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan (4370 in chips)
Seat 6: Limyra (17320 in chips)
Seat 7: zeljo111 (6510 in chips)
Seat 8: steven AK (900 in chips)
Seat 9: tjaderized (10200 in chips)
tjaderized: posts small blind 20
djelevenhun: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♠A♣Q]
Fedor0001: folds
Finnschik: calls 40
burnt famous: calls 40
OrelBogdan: folds
Limyra: calls 40
zeljo111: calls 40
steven AK: folds
tjaderized: calls 20
djelevenhun: checks
*** FLOP *** [♠9♥6♠7]
tjaderized: checks
djelevenhun: checks
Finnschik: bets 200
burnt famous: folds
Limyra: calls 200
zeljo111: calls 200
tjaderized: folds
djelevenhun: folds
*** TURN *** [♠9♥6♠7] ♠J
Finnschik: bets 280
Limyra: calls 280
zeljo111: folds
*** RIVER *** [♠9♥6♠7♠J] ♦T
Finnschik: bets 40
Limyra: calls 40
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Finnschik: shows [♠K♥K] (a pair of Kings)
Limyra: shows [♣K♠Q] (a straight, Nine to King)
Limyra collected 1480 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1480 | Rake 0
Board [9s 6h 7s Js Td]
Seat 1: djelevenhun (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Fedor0001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Finnschik showed [♠K♥K] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: burnt famous folded on the Flop
Seat 5: OrelBogdan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Limyra showed [♣K♠Q] and won (1480) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 7: zeljo111 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: steven AK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: tjaderized (small blind) folded on the Flop


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PokerStars Game #65666976577: Tournament #432010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/08/07 19:37:02 CET [2011/08/07 13:37:02 ET]
Table '432010003 1200' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: djelevenhun (4980 in chips)
Seat 2: mandintru (4490 in chips)
Seat 3: Finnschik (5470 in chips)
Seat 4: burnt famous (5330 in chips)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan (4660 in chips)
Seat 6: Limyra (5100 in chips)
Seat 7: didiDimka (5000 in chips)
Seat 8: adlitam (4970 in chips)
Seat 9: tjaderized (4770 in chips)
djelevenhun: posts small blind 10
mandintru: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djelevenhun [♥6♦7]
Finnschik: raises 20 to 40
burnt famous: folds
OrelBogdan: folds
Limyra: raises 240 to 280
didiDimka: calls 280
adlitam: folds
tjaderized: folds
djelevenhun: folds
mandintru: calls 260
Finnschik: folds
*** FLOP *** [♣T♥9♥K]
mandintru: checks
Limyra: bets 4820 and is all-in
didiDimka: calls 4720 and is all-in
mandintru: folds
Uncalled bet (100) returned to Limyra
*** TURN *** [♣T♥9♥K] ♠Q
*** RIVER *** [♣T♥9♥K♠Q] ♦2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Limyra: shows [♣8♥J] (a straight, Nine to King)
didiDimka: shows [♦9♣9] (three of a kind, Nines)
Limyra collected 10330 from pot
didiDimka finished the tournament in 16979th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10330 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 9h Kh Qs 2d]
Seat 1: djelevenhun (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: mandintru (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Finnschik folded before Flop
Seat 4: burnt famous folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: OrelBogdan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Limyra showed [♣8♥J] and won (10330) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 7: didiDimka showed [♦9♣9] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 8: adlitam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: tjaderized (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Két orosz hős egymásra talált...
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